'They really do follow the maxim "better to say nothing and have people think you a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt"..... That's why any sort of participation in a moderated public forum, or granting of interviews to the press, etc. is anathema to them.
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Neanderthals, Early Modern Humans, and a Creator
by Comatose inhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/neanderthal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cro-magnon.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102011413#h=8:0-9:682. were neanderthals like us?.
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The new light re 1919 appointment of FDS demolishes the 'one true religion' concept
by yadda yadda 2 inanother poster on here called separation of powers made a profound comment on another thread recently that i thought was worthy of starting a new thread about:.
"in my opinion, the new light regarding the fds addresses this question, if there was no fds from the 3rd century on until 1918, and yet the article states that there were anointed followers here and there during that almost 2000 years of no fds, then what organization did they follow?
there was no organization, yet they were anointed per the article.
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I thought the old buggers really "jumped the shark" with their "overlapping generations" daydream; but this July 15 WT takes the prize.
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Here comes Baruch again
by stillin insomehow this weeks book study, which covered some more about baruch, managed to turn it into a slam against education or trying to improve yourself very much.
ok, he didn't "seek great things for himself.
" but to twist that into the diatribe against college education, under the pretense of a bible study, is simply appallingly irresponsible!
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Jeremiah's lackey.
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JULY 15th Study Watchtower - NEW LIGHT IS FANTASY
by The Searcher inthe july 15 study watchtower uses all 4 study articles to try to inculcate into every witnesses' mind that the governing body is indisputably god's sole channel of communication on earth.
to do so, it uses a multitude of scriptures along with seriously flawed un-inspired reasoning.
the foundation stone of this watchtower's blatant agenda is the claim that when jesus used only a few to dispense the physical food to the many, he was setting a principle which would be applied to the distribution of spiritual food after he returned to heaven.
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" The GB clearly doesn't do it all - they just have oversight of it. "....
I don't believe that when it comes to actual writing of articles, they don't do ANY of it.... not one of these guys has "scholar" on his resume'.... they're all a bunch of former itinerant DOs brought in to Bethel and groomed for the job (whatever that means). Not one of them has anything approaching the stature -- or gravitas, etc. of -- Franz and Knorr, not to mention Ray Franz, Ed Dunlap, Karl Adams, or any of the other "heavies" of the '50s and '60s.
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*sigh*
by C.O.B.E.Beef inthis is my first time participating in a site like this , so please.
forgive me if my approach is clumsy.. my story is not extraordinary and hardly interesting, so thanks.
in advance to this forum for extending the bandwidth for my own.
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"The only result I will not accept is losing my wife and children.
I won't leave her in a burning building because she doesn’t realize
it is on fire. I would have little influence from the outside. Im
unsure what course I will take but I know it will take some time,
because the roots are very deep , and there are few things more
powerful than familial approval."C.O.B.E, Very, VERY well said; thanks, I can certainly relate. Except that I've already "stepped down" as an elder, I'm wearing precisely the same shoes.
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Can losing faith in God be a disfellowshipping offense?
by Emery ini have been pondering this question for awhile.
say a person during a shepherding visit with the elders were to simply state that they had lost their faith in god because of the subject of suffering-- would the elders still have grounds to disfellowship them even if the person did not actually commit a sinful offense?
instead of diving into all the errors, false prophecies, and lies advanced by the organization can somebody simply say, "i have lost faith in jehovah" and walk away without being publically denounced?
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The sad reality is that it all depends on the whims of the local elders and their reaction to your stated misgivings; basically, they can DF anyone on any pretext whatever, and leave them to the mercy of an appeal committee, which more often than not, is loathe to overturn.
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The Experts- Jehovahs Witnesses
by jean-luc picard ini was thinking this weekend of a brother i first met when i was a teenager.. not yet an elder, this brother was very outspoken, and was viewed a kind of hero to the r&f.. an inexperienced teen, i also believed ( influenced by others) that this guy was a godsend.. looking back, with the eyes of a more mature person, i now consider him an arrogant self opinionated bully.. he later became an elder and i might add that he also had an imposing physical appearance .
but he had no education.
no schooling.
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Julia, you have a point: what is remotely humble about a people convinced they're the only ones worth saving, while God vaporizes the other 99.99 percent of humanity, down to the last pudgy infant?
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How did the 1919 GB know they were chosen ?
by Phizzy inthe present gb/fds claim a kind of apostolic succession going back to the now claimed first appearance of the fds in 1919.. i don't think anywhere is it made clear who made up the fds then, but let us go along with the fiction, (in reality we know only rutherford really ruled the roost) and assume there was a group of guys who were the fds, how did they know they were chosen as such ?.
there obviously is nothing in the wt writings of the time as all this is noo lite, so, if they did not know their heaven appointed role, why would they carry it out, except by accident?
and if so, how could they possibly produce "food at the proper time "?.
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It's astonishing what people can be led to believe, against all reason and contrary evidence.
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Bible Teach Book has been getting a facelift WT Style
by RayPublisher inwell the book they use to conduct bible studies is already showing its age, and just like the changes they made to the live forever book they are doing it to the bible teach book as well.
here is something i found on the kool aid site jw talk .
net:.
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" These changes quietly took place over a year ago. Did you notice?"
It's a rare JW that scrutinizes the Bible as carefully as this guy pores over the WT literature. How many JWs can list the books of the Bible, name the apostles or the "fruits of the spirit' when challenged?
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Has the feared and much anticipated,'Jehovah Witness Great Tribulation', now started in earnest during this year of 2013?
by Sol Reform inthe watchtower states that the great tribulation.... will start when the united nations attacks babylon the great.
it appears individual states of the usa are starting to get that ball rolling right now.. .
with the world wide child sexual abuse cover-ups across the globe getting special attention from the media.. legislators across the usa seem to have lost the fear of getting the nod of disapproval of 'clergy', especially from the younger members.. law professor marci a. hamilton writes, "across the country, the movement for justice for child-sex-abuse victims is finding that conversations that used to begin with a discussion of the catholic bishops' opposition (and then often ended abruptly) are now started by a member's saying, "they don't deserve deference on this issue.
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The Watchtower's original end-times scenario, which prevailed through the early 60s, was that the Great Tribulation began with Satan's ouster from heaven in 1914, precipitating an unprecedented time of trouble that would be cut short to allow "some flesh to be saved."